Dax Shepard and Jonathan Van Ness engaged in a heated debate on transgender rights and gender-affirming care on the Armchair Expert podcast.

Jonathan Van Ness, who is nonbinary, intended to discuss their own projects but ended up focusing on trans rights during the conversation.

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The debate began with Jonathan suggesting that right-wing beliefs stem from a lack of education, while Dax argued it's a "difference of opinion."

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They also debated whether the New York Times was more left or right-leaning, with Jonathan contending it leaned right due to its "anti-trans" content.

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The New York Times had faced criticism from GLAAD for its "inaccurate, biased coverage" of trans issues.

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Dax expressed concern that disagreeing on one statement would classify him as an "enemy" in the conversation about trans rights.

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Jonathan clarified that they weren't categorizing Dax as an enemy and encouraged diverse beliefs but noted the importance of not diminishing trans issues.

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Online reactions to the discussion questioned Dax's role in playing "devil's advocate" and presenting hypothetical, fear-based scenarios.

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The debate highlighted the complexity of discussing transgender rights and the need for constructive dialogue.

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The exchange between Dax and Jonathan sparked a broader conversation about the challenges of discussing sensitive topics in the media.

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